Nine killed as small jet crashes on Florida street (www.bbc.co.uk)

11 points by m4tthumphrey •

I'm no expert but the early "reports" are saying ice and turbulence. The video and ATC recording is haunting.

It's amazing that it seems like only the people on board lost their lives. The crash looked devastating, and into a fairly high population (residential, on a holiday weekend) area.

It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published. I haven't listened because of how many people I've seen saying they found it haunting or regret listening. Could you imagine that circulating if the pilot was your family? If that was how you found out? I get that all the news outlets want to be the one to report and capture attention, but these are real people. My heart goes out to the families.

I also noticed the quickly released ATC audio and also didn't listen to it.

I saw an interview with the son of a 9/11 victim last month. One of the things he said was: "anybody can see my father die on youtube". Really stuck with me.

> It's amazing that it seems like only the people on board lost their lives.

Yes, honestly this was the first thing I thought when hearing about it.

It looked like a ballistic missile. Straight down into the pavement.

If it had been more horizontal, there would likely have been casualties on the ground as well.

I suspect they release the audio, ironically, to calm airline passengers letting them know it was a unique situation.

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Analysis of Miami NEXRAD radar shows the Learjet 60 (N722BD) entered a thunderstorm core near Wellington at about 12:48 PM ET, just before it crashed in Palm Beach County.

At 35,000 feet, radar echoes around the jet jumped to 34 dBZ, with a 52 dBZ core below it and storm tops near 47,000 feet. Tracking data shows the jet climbed about 450 feet inside the core, then went into a spiraling dive and crashed 76 seconds later.

> It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published

Most of the ATC exchange is being recorded and published by volunteers 24/7. It's not "published" in a sense it's never been secret - there is no encryption or any special encoding. You only need AM radio with a specific frequency band to listen to it.

It's being published in the sense that news outlets are redistributing it. They are under no obligation to redistribute it. They are doing it because a) they believe it will drive more traffic to their site, and b) they don't care how disrespectful it is to redistribute.

You just described the ethics of the mainstream media.

They have none. Money is more important.

Hard to argue that the BBC isn't mainstream, yet the article we're discussing contains only selected extracts from the transcript and doesn't link to the audio.

All civil aviation radio is by default strictly done over open channels in order to co ordinate with all of the other aircraft and ground control, and is often the only comunication possible in an emergency, and is always monitored and 'published' in order to co ordinate emergency responses, in the air, on the ground, and can often serve as the only real evidence as to what happened. The other part is that it also serves to keep wild speculation to a minimum. Your or anybody elses fucking feelings will never be meaningfully effected by this standard procedure, these people died publicly and it was witnessed, it's obsene to attempt to then 'privitise' that. Wanaknow whats worse, I'll tell ya, these people had the option to blast strait up through and OVER the iceing conditions, but were saving fuel by flying lower and counting on the 'de ice' equipent normally only use for 'decent into weather' and landing, or thats what I am gathering, others with better knowledge will have completly picked it apart.

The plane came down like a missile, nothing left but a crater.

Some speculation has been icing on the plane, since it looks like it entered a small storm cell. It originally flew around a larger storm going on, but just around the time it started losing altitude, it had gone through a small cell. Then when the plane goes back into colder area, rapid ice formation happens due to supercooling.

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